Innocent people are hurt and killed in these cases, but theyre not really high profile and we dont have time to mess with this epidemic. Unverified and Probably Not True. Im sure there are instances where its been used as an effective tactic in helping to solve crimes. He could have even confessed to me, but I am still not under obligation to tell the cops. Daniel Nations, a registered Indiana sex-offender, was arrested in Colorado in September 2017 after threatening hikers with a hatchet. I am running into one issue with Mr. X. I was wondering if there might be a different thought on this. SoundCloud.com How to Submit Tips In Delphi Murders Case Watch on Investigators have been mostly mum on many case details but a redacted warrant provides a glimpse into information surrounding the murder scene, suspect, and victims. Answers to questions about my credibility. Distance of residence from crime scene at the time of the crime: Less than 2 miles to the east along the creek. We can look into any case we want! This man deserves to be caught and get death penalty. Yes it is all speculation. But he also got wrapped up in collecting and apparently trading real deal child porn with little girls. Following the identification of a suspect in the Delphi murder, extensive discussion about the case and purportedly leaked texts from that terrible night erupted online. What Do the Alleged Leaked Text Messages About Delphi Murders Mean? The first sections deal with somewhat extraneous material that you may or may not find interesting. We dont know why he asked permission to search Ron Logans land at 6:30 PM, but this is also a huge red flag because he asked to search the land a full half hour before the fire department had even announced the formation of a search team. You are apparently a better sleuth than I am. Where did he get the food and what was the food? David, the person involved in the leaked text messages, claimed that the girls died from stabbing. Paul Etter: A 55 year old local man of many interests. She mentions how the search parties on the 13th had a hard time finding the girls because they didnt think the were looking for bodies but alive girls and she says additionally, also they were partially covered. What does that mean? He can be heard saying, "Guys, down the hill," in the short video and investigators created two composite sketches based on this evidence. Also, I dont know what to make of this. Have you been in contact with her at all? Apparently. movements and events. I am trying to be vague. He died in 2020 and the case remains unsolved to this day. Instead of telling me to "look up" this or that, and hinting , somewhat, at theories,why not just state the theory . At least two prior marriages. If so, why? 13) Search Shell station footage in between 25 miles from crime scene throughout. Thats not very many. They say they want to prevent false confessions. I dont know if its in a garage, or the shed, perhaps? Another user is talking about them also. Big KAK getting hungry and Dad is no longer speaking to him. Hello, i live in cedar rapids , ia. Back to the POI, in February 2017, he lived next door to the cemetery which makes his actions and ruse around his truck & keys even more suspicious, if that is possible. This has been misrepresented by doubters as the scanner saying to let Mrs. X into the sealed off area because shes bringing Mr. X his keys. Little if any good information comes out of these places. The dots connecting back to Iowa with the Tyson plant etc is great investigative work. Two young girls disappear off of an extraordinarily dangerous bridge in the middle of the day when they had plans to be picked up at a specific time? I cannot remember which girl had taken the photo of the man on the bridge with her cell phone, but I had read somewhere that on that cell phone there was audio of her saying something about a weird man approaching them and that is why she took the photo. The bodies were dumped near flowing water, creeks or rivers. I guess he cant make up his mind. The murdered girls, who attended Delphi Community Middle School where they played saxophone and volleyball together, had visited the bridge before the day they died. Allen was arrested on Friday in connection to the murders - the first big break in the case. Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing, the agent wrote. Which begs the question, if Mr. X is BG, how did he come to acquire a pair of Indiana Packers boots, which is what he appears to be wearing during his crime? Police officers announced about the Delphi massacre. An Indiana bar owner has revealed that the suspect arrested in the Delphi massacre of two teenage girls was a patron at his inn who often sat inches away from police sketches of the wanted killer. Apparently he planned this abduction to occur at precisely this time, which is shocking. Mr. X is a very close friend of Mr. M. Mr. M was a 20 year old man who impregnated one of the girls. And at the end, Carter says, He may even be in this room right now, (he was in fact) and then looks in the complete opposite direction of Mr. X. Robert, I believe Mr. X has an ex-wife. Also we dont know what they interrogated Ron about either. There was a helicopter/drone photoset going around in a FB group in the last few days (don't remember which group). Most of the rest are not bad people, but they are showboats, loudmouths, and boasters with egos the size of small planets. If I happened to be out that day lets say partying or doing some stuff that maybe I shouldnt have been doing, and I witnessed something and had information Im telling you right now, I would think twice, then I would think two more times before I would even consider coming forward because I would be scared shitless that LE would throw my ass in jail for something completely unrelated just like they did to RL. A few people were claiming it was Abby leaned against a tree with her face covered in blood, claw marks on the ground, and a pool of blood a few feet away. That makes no sense. Suspect: Ok, you got me. They are looking for exactly 43 seconds of audio that BG recorded. That can only mean one thing. What would be Mr X reason for leaving them there? Furthermore, we have two different LE sources, both detectives in Indiana, tell us that this is exactly what happened. Classy. Get real. I tend to think that it goes deeper than only Mr. X being involved though. I believe there is probable cause to believe that RONALD LOGAN has committed the crime of murder and evidence of that can be found on RONALD LOGANS property.. Clown. DELPHI, Ind. Yes, this man is the prime suspect at the moment, but that doesnt mean a whole lot. Mr. Lindsay, It is important to note that the validity of the text messages has not and cannot be corroborated at this time. With less than 3,000 residents, Delphi is a town where everyone knows one another, and the murders have greatly affected many locals. FSG has been someone that I cannot let go of either. We park right at the front door. I have not been able to determine that from all of these postings. YesGo to the very first article and I believe there is a Donate button on the page. Kline is being held in jail after being arrested on separate child porn charges in 2020. 43 sec is probably the time they have of the man on the girls phone recording. Underwear, possible two pairs, was found in the river. Twice they were wrong. A lot of my comments have been deleted, not at my discretion. Im not saying anymore in an attempt to protect LEs directive. 6) He has a family member thats buried in the cemetery near the Monon Bridge. And if it was 43 seconds, it would be on Libbys phone! to find the killer or team of killers. I wish I could delete this comment because it made no sense. Person of Interest is a much higher standard than unnamed suspect, and he hasnt even risen to that level yet. Delphi murders: Anthony Shots profile tied to Abby & Libby deaths - WANE 15 We also dont know what he was doing searching down there that night. We may or may not have from 1-8 more official case documents from this case. His wife has taken to social media lately, pleading with people to stop harassing them and insisting he had nothing to do with this crime. We dont know about you all, but when we go visit our friends, we generally dont park a quarter mile away and hike in. If you met me, you would laugh at them for saying that. Richard 'Ricky' Allen, Delphi Murders Suspect: 5 Fast Facts | Heavy.com IMHO there is a main suspect, and I dont really care if everyone is pointing elsewhere. For example, a rape victim being naked from the waist down and legs splayed might invoke shock but the victim was not posed specifically to shock- just left as is. Some new info here. Im seeing in between. Hes a mechanic by trade, but used to drive trucks and works for a local trucking company with a high profile. Correct. I see on Reddit that they mention you in a negative way, but dont listen to those people! Authorities have released no connections between Chadwell and the Delphi murders. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15568704. Heavily redacted court documents say that state police and the FBI encountered Kline in 2017 while conducting a search warrant in Peru, Indiana. Im not sure I understand what covered means. Also, the props were put at the scene later too, perhaps after the girls were killed. If u could see one, u could see the other. Do you think an LE source might be talking to one of them or perhaps someone who knows one of them? He met few if any of those girls he was talking to. Closeup of the 'fanny pack'. However, the other three have only peripheral involvement and may have committed no crime! That could be why they referred to BG as a creepy guy and still following us. Otherwise, and putting myself in their situation, if I saw someone at a distance on the bridge, I would have thought it was just another hiker and would not have been concerned that he was still following me. They say they want to preserve the integrity of the investigation. Almost zero. Always. How about never? Since Allen's arrest, it was also revealed that his home was less than two miles from the Delphi train bridge where Williams and German were last seen alive. The rumor that there was a spent cartridge at the scene is therefore confirmed. I am thinking of reasons why the FBI was immediately involved and now the focus is not on a possible interstate killer. Join Nancy Grace for her new online video series designed to help you protect what you love most your children. Point is that he may have never had ceased offending. Furthermore, almost nothing of consequence is being said, and it reminds you of a night with your friends drinking, and no one says one thing of importance for hours. Why not join the 240+ members who have already signed up for the best Delphi sleuthing team of all? In the years before his arrest, Miller had left numerous notes in public places saying the killer of Tinsley would strike again. Mr. Xs wife, his daughter, and Becky Patty are now putting out a story that Mr. X never lost his keys in the first place. According to video recovered from one of the victim's phones, Abby or Libby mentioned "gun" as a man approached them, the probable cause affidavit said. Delphi Man Reportedly Arrested in Connection to Murder of Teen Indiana Hence, none of his DNA from the forest around the girls is usable. Id be surprised if he were in on this, but stranger things have happened. And I happen to be trained as a Journalist. Keep sleuthing, youre on point to what I see. You cannot keep your own story straight. You will see below where we regard certain things as Proven. A 50-year-old suspect, identified as Richard Allen, has been arrested at the Carroll County Jail in connection with the murders of Abigail Williams and Libby German, whose bodies were found near the Delphi Historic Trail shortly after being reported missing in February . You claim he works at Indiana Packers then say his profession is woodworking. If he had those objects found at the crime scene in his truck, he could have easily carried them down to the crime scene and used them to stage it with the objects. And if Mr. X was being tried today and I was on the jury, I would certainly vote to acquit. I find it interesting that you stated he told the girls that he was a railroad policeman so that audio must have been on one of the girls cell phones? This KAK guy simply got messed up in sending sexual videos to underage teenage girls and collecting the same from them. Thats probably your answer. A man was a suspect in this crime, and one document, a search warrant, are from LEs investigation of him. No, they are obviously looking for photos and videos that the killer took as part of this crime. I think the girls met up with BG somewhere on that trail before they got onto the bridge. (The person from the FB post that is) their bodies were quite close to water. They were folded on her chest. Not everyone was tied lipped, there were some rumors and messages on sm. "In a small town, in a place where there's a small amount of traffic on this abandoned railroad bridge your suspect pool is fairly small," Garrett said, so police likely concentrated their investigation on Delphi and the surrounding communities. Watch on Oops, we couldn't find that track. Maybe. Bottom line is our theories now are dramatically more accurate than the 85% error rate we had earlier. But we are not naming person. If this roommate is correct, it looks like Mr. X worked in 2011-2012 at as packing plant in the Delphi area, and he was moved to near Evansdale, Iowa for a period during these two years to work on a sister plant near Evansdale. The 14-year-old also captured a grainy video on her phone of a man dressed in blue jeans, a jacket and a hoodie walking along the abandoned railroad bridge. I live in Pennsylvania and have been interested in this case since the time it happened. And he has an accomplice, a much younger man. What? How would she be a few weeks pregnant by a guy that just raped her? And when they said BG was actually better described as a combination of both sketches, they were correct too. They dont say where they collected it from, but thats an important question. Investigators think the bodies of slain Delphi girls, Abby Williams and Libby German, were staged and moved at the crime scene, court documents obtained by The Murder Sheet podcast revealed; the shows founders joined Nancy Grace and her expert guests on Wednesdays Crime Stories to discuss the case. I am having trouble reconciling something.. if Mr X is who I think he is, you state that he graduated in 1984 but I am finding by looking at the Delphi yearbooks online, that he graduated in 1986? There's verbiage that suggests 1) Source has vendettas against specific individuals and groups; 2) Repeated disclaimers (thou doth protest too much). So Mr. X did not ask him to search for his keys, he was officially asking to search for the girls according to ol Ronny boy. Photo Page - Delphi Homicides - Truth Tellers He had been there that morning too. If so, where and when? I see that you have replied to someone after mine, I am genuinely curious about this difference in graduation dates and would like to chat. There are many cases of homicides or attempted homicides in the same category. Posed, which I believe is what this scene is, that is for the offenders gratification.. There was posing. He was 18 in 1984, so we figured he graduated that year, but maybe he graduated in 1986 when he was 20. Is there a place on your site where you can pay/register? That looks suspicious as Hell. Im curious if Mr X knew KAK or his father? I sorta did wonder where he was from 12 to 430ish. Long, 22 pages. I found your article very interesting and thought provoking. Hi folks. Now, that does NOT necessarily indicate staging. The last person on Earth to protect the killer is poor Becky Patty, God bless her mortal soul. Garrett said he's solved homicide cases that way, because typically a perpetrator buys a gun legally near his or her home, he said. Then there is always the question of his occupation. And possibly even other rapes and homicides. An asterisk means the information is proven via LE information leaked to us. Corn fields? The manner of death has never been revealed. How did BG get across that knee-high stream in the middle of winter without nearly getting hypothermia and needing a change of clothes? Mr. X needed the lost his keys excuse to explain how he stayed in that spot for 18 hours. A lot of my friends didnt join. . What are they doing to move this forward? The rumor is that his alibi is a Delphi police officer, Nate Allen, who committed suicide in December. This goes on all the time, however. Unless he made them undress -- which I guess is possible -- was there some other weapon used?". If its who I think it is, you can tell her I said that. Did the girls have wet clothes where they were found? Over the years numerous people have have been put forth as possible suspects in the case. it would have been nice to track the boot prints around the cemetery to the crime scene to the river but I would assume all that evidence is gone. To say these girls had things shoved in them without proof is horrible for their parents. Great to see you back on the case! Investigators also believed photographs or videos were likely shot of the grotesque set-up to 'memorialize' the crime scene. In an Oct. 13, 2022, interview, Allen told police he saw juvenile girls on the trails east of Freedom Bridge and said he went onto the Monon High Bridge, near where the girls were killed. . I find it notable that not much has been said about the danger to others, I think it has been said that it could not be excluded, but I have not seen any emphatic warnings. Photo by LIBBY GERMAN / FACEBOOK The fact that the mere mention of FSG as anything more than a helpful old man out for a daily stroll is met with such hostility well, that raises all sorts of red flags with me even if the vitriol is coming from true crime enthusiasts on Reddit. "I've always been concerned about how these two youngsters died. One seems to be PNB and the other is RRB. In other words, LE are convinced that BG filmed or videotaped his crime. Allen's lead defense attorney Brad Rozzi did not respond to a request for comment and fellow attorney Andrew Baldwin declined to comment. We sent him off to dig into Mr. X. If he is a poser, which is the worst of the worst, and he has a transport company, that gives him carte blanche to move around in committing more crimes of this nature in different parts of the country as he travels. Im a real nice guy, I treat my commenters well, and Im basically this mild-mannered, unassuming, intellectual, professor type. But that would mean that Becky Patty would have to say that she called the wife. In these cases, we have 4-5 separate sources, usually vaguely referred to as inside sources, testifying to the truth of something. Police say they ruled Eldridge out as a suspect, and that he did not match an updated sketch of the suspect. This is simply because Ive dared to question if its possible that he was involved in any capacity or if its possible that he made misleading statements. Ill leave it at that. I cant demand that my friends give me money! But my opinion isnt worth anything. Theyre not that common. Crime scene photos leaked? : r/LibbyandAbby - reddit Its a very rare occurrence, only 1.3% of the victims is left in an unusual, corrected position. Everyone was crowding around to look at the crime he had committed. Highly suspicious and the states that are responsible are more interested in getting into pissing contests as opposed to finding her. Pay no attention to the first sketch, which looks like a middle aged man, Mr. X. Enough is enough. The truth is that some of the things LE said in that conference are true. Come on, people. Amazingly, Libby German took a video of a man walking behind her and Abby Williams on the bridge, who is believed to be the killer. No, the other girl was also having sex with males and she also had a boyfriend. , updated Really. Allen "has been consistent" in police interviews over the years, former FBI agent and ABC News contributor Brad Garrett said. I have no idea either way, but its just something that has bothered me because I dont see him being brought up nearly as much as some others who have had little to no connection to this case. I just donated via PayPal. jeffreydumber. Kelsi has been cleared. ABC News Evidence in the Delphi, Indiana, double murder case was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details, including that suspect Richard Allen's gun was linked to the crime scene. Apparently there is a human need to wonder, guess, and posit. We dont know if or when he worked for them before or after. The main suspects DNA is found in the forest around the crime scene. Victim was an 8-12 year old female. FSG is at the trails every day. I also thought about whether the finders might have covered a body somewhat, but assume that they would have reported that anyway. Breathe so we can comment in between paragraphs pleaser. I like some of these guys. This proves more of Leigh Kerrs testimony where he said BG sent photos or video to one of the girls phones after the crime. To be fair, two other men were also searching Rons land that night and they didnt find anything either, so it looks like those girls were pretty hard to miss. . There are fields behind his home! Via LE Source A, we have learned that in both crimes: The following are unverified rumors with at least some probability of being true: Indiana LE did not validate the rumors about some aspects of the crime scene such as: This is probably one of the flat-out weirdest aspects of the case of all. Everything We Know About The Unsolved Delphi Murders. For instance, if LE have a suspect, and they have a partial present in 10% of the population, this is one more bit of evidence that might point towards them having the right guy. Today is the day.. A brief clip of the man walking towards the girls on the Monon High Bridge Trail was released too. 242? Hes a straight man with a wife, but maybe hes wimpy like a lot of straight men are. They have thought they had the right guy several times in the Zodiac case, but all of the suspects fell through. Does the Delphi Murders Investigation Involve Leaked Text Messages? Furthermore, homicide is the most serious thing you can charge anyone with. There is also the possibility that the act itself created the impression of posing when in fact it was not. We all stumble over our words sometimes. Mr. X is married to BP sister which makes him Libbys uncle not blood relatedheard it somewhere on the Net it would be easy for you RL to check that out . Give it a rest, dammit! Fondled similarly to Libby. But they used experts to clean it up with fancy software and groups of experts got together to try to figure out what was being said. How bout taking it to heed, everyone? I strongly believe them to be fake. Theyre Delphi related videos comparing his appearance to BG. So he obviously kept a copy of that for himself. Pregnancies are also risky for 13 and 14 year old girls. Libby also shared a snap of herself walking along the same railroad tracks on the day of her murder, with the Snapchat updates causing a sensation that made the case one of the United States' most notorious unsolved murders. I read through it early on, saw interesting stuff and then later came back and tried to find the interesting stuff but got lost. Killer? This had been done on other occasions, at least one other we know of in the 2000s. We have almost no information about the cause of death or what the crime scene looked like. 21:06 GMT 30 Oct 2022 For five years, the murders of 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German have hung over Delphi, ghosts that couldn't be put to rest. [Featured image: Abby (l) and Libby (r)/Handout], Alex Murdaugh Begins Prison Sentence With New Haircut, What About Buster Murdaugh? The family knew something was wrong. They go up to the knee and are designed to be waterproof. However, Mindtruth has done a number of episodes on our information and I thank Bruce for that very much. If one of the girls was pregnant, was the pregnancy a result of intercourse with Mr X? The 2017 murder of Abby and Libby became notorious after investigators released chilling footage the girls recorded of a man following and approaching them across the Manon High Bridge. In general, the less said about the other aspects of his life the better, and they have no relationship to this case anyway. They simply dont have enough on him to get a conviction is all. Same with Evansdale probably too. So Id just as soon stop looking at him as a suspect. Anything that shows they crossed the creek that evening. I still have the pic. Of course, there are trolls saying that the information Ive given is info thats already known. Again, not saying that he did it. But it's just speculation at this point, because nothing has been confirmed. Twice in the the Evansdale Murders, LE thought they were certain that they had the right man. I love true crime and listen to a bunch of podcasts and books. Its a very rare occurrence, only 1.3% of the victims is left in an unusual, corrected position. That is when they discovered the fake anthony_shots profile, soliciting minor girls online. We know he had binoculars with him and he told the girls that he was a railroad policeman who had spotted them with binoculars. Thank u. I guess I also wonder how everyone put such and effort to look only a few hours after being missing. Very hard to really tell anything a lot of shadows from trees and debris on ground. Is there any meaning to these numbers or is he just playing sneaky, tricky games with us like these guys often do. He had his keys with him, so why didnt he move his truck when they asked him to instead of lying and saying he couldnt because he had lost his keys? Photo Page - Delphi Homicides. That is the statement from the woman on the search team. The girls bodies were found near a hiking trail on February 14, 2017 a day after they went missing while on a walk during a day off from school. This may extend to age 15. We have no idea why the order was issued. "He put himself at the scene, on the bridge.". During a search of Allen's home on Oct. 13, 2022, officers found knives and guns, including a "Sig Sauer, Model P226, .40-caliber pistol," the probable cause affidavit said. Kegan Kline, 28, of Peru, Indiana, was named as a possible suspect in the girls' murders. Also its very hot here and all I feel like doing is sleeping all the time. Hobbies: Raising goats, riding and fixing up Harley-Davidson motorcycles, very avid deer hunter, handicrafting wooden signs. Sex workers talk, rumours saved a lot of workers in Vancouver during Picktons reign of terror. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Any context? According to Garrett, it's unlikely Allen would be bloody if a gun was the only murder weapon, unless Allen handled the bodies in some manner. A log was placed in front of one of the girls, and a doll was placed in front of the other girl. Cops say teen murder victims were posed, killer took souvenirs Im sure the guy does look at posts and stuff which is creepy as all hell. A timeline establishing publicly known. The warrant indicated that an FBI agent said Logans voice is not inconsistent with that of the person in the video.. Detectives said that after the photo was taken, a man approached the girls and apparently told them to go down the hill.. I think he already knew that they would be there. He has dealt with his grief with silence and hiding himself away. Sure hes a greedy businessman, but I doubt if hes that greedy. He also noted that it appeared to him as if Libby German may have been personally attacked based on the extent of her injuries. Do you feel that the KAK (Anthony_shots) announcement is a red herring or that its linked to the Delphi murders? Fact that the FBI was instantly involved would be because they have the expertise to "read" such a crime scene. Q&A with Tara and Becky. I think perhaps I saw the same things this guy did. Well, guess what? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Robert, have you heard that Mr X had a deer blind on the Mears property? The motive is apparently lust murder motivated by sexual sadism combined with psychopathy, the classic formulation almost all serial killers have. The knife in the log was located near the girls right shoulder. DAs require a very high standard of evidence to bring a homicide charge against someone. DELPHI FBI Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were "moved and staged" at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents.
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